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    2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship presented by Toyo Tires



    VCMC Motorsports Club is proud to host the 2017 Canadian AutoSlalom Championship presented by Toyo Tires. This event is taking place at the JIBC/YPK Integrated Training Centre in Pitt Meadows, BC. With grid and pit space on the Pitt Meadows Airstrip, we will be taking full advantage of the 10 acre asphalt pad. This is the premier event of the 2017 season for VCMC and will be home to the best competition North of the 49th.

    Location: JIBC/ YPK Integrated Training Centre (Pitt Meadows Airport) - Double Pad + Runway for Grid & Parking

    >> Registration Link << (Registration closes at Midnight on June 20)
    No drop ins, online registration only.


    Entry Fees: $160 early bird / $175 after June 17th 2017
    Requirement: CACC Autoslalom License or SCCA membership (SCCA is only accepted for Non Canadian residents)

    For residents in other ASN Canada Regions, a membership in an affiliated Region Club is required.


    If you need to register for a CACC membership ($15) please follow this link:*2017 CACC Autoslalom Licence Application.


    Note that you will need to provide a proof of membership from an ASN affilliated club. If you need a VCMC membership card please email: membership@vcmc.ca. If you are not a current member we will issue you a weekend membership at no additional cost.

    Also note that you do NOT need to wait to receive your CACC card to sign up for the event.

    SCHEDULE

    Friday June 23rd

    • 9:00 AM gates open
    • 10:00 AM Runway open for parking
    • 11:00 AM Test and tune - Course open for walking
    • 12:00 PM Test and tune - Starts
    • 4:00 PM Test and tune – Finishes
    • 5:00 PM Welcome party


    Saturday 24th

    • 6:30 AM Gates Open
    • 7:00 AM Course open for walking
    • 7:00 AM Tech and Reg open
    • 8:30 AM Tech & Reg - Close
    • 8:45 AM Course closed for walking
    • 8:50 AM Drivers Meeting
    • 9:00 AM First Car on Course
    • ~ 12:30 End of AM runs
    • ~ 12:45 PM Course open for walking
    • ~ 1:25 PM Course closed for walking
    • ~ 1:30 PM Runs begin
    • 6:00 PM End of Competitive Runs Day 1
    • 6:30 PM Dinner and Social
    • 7:00 PM Course is open for walks


    Sunday 25th

    • 6:30 AM Gates Open
    • 7:00 AM Course open for walking
    • 8:30 AM Course is close
    • 8:45 AM Drivers Meeting
    • 9:00 AM First Car on Course
    • ~12:30 End of AM runs
    • ~12:40 Course open for walking
    • ~1:25 Course closed for walking
    • ~ 1:30 PM Runs begin
    • >6:00 PM End of Competitive Runs
    • ~6:00 Award Ceremonies – Crowning of 2017 National Champion


    Format

    • Each day will be split in a morning and afternoon Session.
    • Each Session will have a different course.
    • 3 runs per Session.
    • Final times will be based on the combined fastest times of all 4 sessions.

    So in summary: 2 Days, 4 Courses, 12 Runs!

    Rules:

    This event will be run under Canada FIA Autoslalom Regulations listed on the ASN website under the SoloSport Section.

    Please also read the Supplemental Regulations

    Classing:
    If you don't know your class please refer to ASN Canada FIA Autoslalom Regulations or post your car details in this thread and we will help you.

    VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION

    • All competition cars must have and display a unique number (Numbers made from masking tape are acceptable)
    • Properly identified as per 4.4 of the 2017 AutoSlalom Regulations.
    • The competitor is responsible for displaying their competition numbers and class on each side of the car and must be in place at tech inspection.

    LUNCH
    • Lunch will be available for purchased on site at the main Pavilion.

    DINNER
    • Dinner will be provided on Saturday night


    BC Driving Centre sound policy:
    Any vehicles exceeding 92dB measured at 50 feet or showing excessive tire squealing may be asked to stop running by the organizers.
    Please be mindful of your open wastegates.

    Camping:
    RV, Motorhome and tents are welcome. Please be aware there is no water or electricity on site and that fires are not allowed. Camping will be on the pad so if you are planning on using a tent bring some weights as you won't be able to use tent pegs.

    Volunteering:
    Please keep in mind VCMC is a non-profit organization run by volunteers.
    Events will only run as smoothly as you are willing to contribute.

    If you have any questions please post them here in this thread or contact one of the club execs.

    Stay tuned for more information.
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  4. Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Excellent! Now to look at ferry schedules to maximize my time on Friday

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Quote Originally Posted by blackice View Post
    Entry Fees: $160 early bird / $175 after June 17th 2017
    Requirement: CACC Autoslalom License or SCCA membership (SCCA is only accepted for Non Canadian residents)
    We should clarify that a license from any of the ASN territories is also acceptable. If a participant already has one then they do not need to apply for a CACC license. Here are the other acceptable licenses:

    – Atlantic Canada Atlantic Region Motor Sports
    – Quebec la Fédération Auto-Québec (en francais)
    – Ontario C.A.S.C. Ontario Region
    – Prairie Provinces Western Canada Motorsport Association (WCMA)
    – Canadian Rally Authority Canadian Association of Rallysport (CARS),I am not a Canadian resident and have a SCCA membership.

    JORDAN

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    I'm confused - why do we need a CACC licence?

    From the sup regs:

    4.1. Eligibility to Participate
    1. To be eligible to compete as a driver, a driver must:
    a. Hold a current provincial or state Driver’s License (Graduated licenses, where the
    driver is authorized to drive without another licensed driver being present, are
    permitted.);
    b. To enter a National Autoslalom Championship event, a competitor must hold a
    competition license (or membership card) issued by ASN Canada FIA or an ASN
    Territory that grants eligibility for AutoSlalom events, or a Day License issued by
    the organizing club;
    c. Have signed the ASN Canada FIA General Waiver.

    Section "b" says a licence or a club membership is required. A CACC licence would only be required for someone who does not have a club membership from an ASN/FIA affiliate club. VCMC and most of the other BC and Alberta clubs are under the umbrella ....... so is a membership good enough?

    Just for the record I personally have a CACC licence, but I'm getting questions and negative feedback from others about the additional cost and hassle

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    Quote Originally Posted by JValgardson View Post
    We should clarify that a license from any of the ASN territories is also acceptable. If a participant already has one then they do not need to apply for a CACC license. Here are the other acceptable licenses:

    – Atlantic Canada Atlantic Region Motor Sports
    – Quebec la Fédération Auto-Québec (en francais)
    – Ontario C.A.S.C. Ontario Region
    – Prairie Provinces Western Canada Motorsport Association (WCMA)
    – Canadian Rally Authority Canadian Association of Rallysport (CARS),I am not a Canadian resident and have a SCCA membership.

    JORDAN
    There seems to be some confusion over licenses. WCMA does not issue licences for autoslalom purposes; all one needs is a membership in a WCMA sanctioned club. I believe that this is also true for ARMS (Atlantic Region Motor Sports).

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Hey Murray!

    CACC doesn't issue licences either. I only have one because of a little pre-season cash grab - each club has to have 5 members with a licence before CACC will issue permits. So pretty much everybody will have to pay the $15 CACC licence fee if it is required.

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Quote Originally Posted by 510 View Post
    I'm confused - why do we need a CACC licence?

    From the sup regs:

    4.1. Eligibility to Participate
    1. To be eligible to compete as a driver, a driver must:
    a. Hold a current provincial or state Driver’s License (Graduated licenses, where the
    driver is authorized to drive without another licensed driver being present, are
    permitted.);
    b. To enter a National Autoslalom Championship event, a competitor must hold a
    competition license (or membership card) issued by ASN Canada FIA or an ASN
    Territory that grants eligibility for AutoSlalom events, or a Day License issued by
    the organizing club;
    c. Have signed the ASN Canada FIA General Waiver.

    Section "b" says a licence or a club membership is required. A CACC licence would only be required for someone who does not have a club membership from an ASN/FIA affiliate club. VCMC and most of the other BC and Alberta clubs are under the umbrella ....... so is a membership good enough?
    The key phrase in the rules quoted are, "a competition license (or membership card) issued by ASN Canada FIA or ASN territory that grants eligibility for Autoslalom events.

    VCMC membership cards are not issued by CACC. This is why VCMC members (or anyone else from a club affiliated with CACC) must get a CACC competition license for autoslalom. The exception to the CACC license is if you already have another license with one of the other Canadian territories under ASN. Those were listed previously. If your club membership card was issued by the local territory (like WCMA) then this is acceptable.
    Last edited by JValgardson; May 8, 2017 at 15:43.

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Quote Originally Posted by 510 View Post
    CACC doesn't issue licences either.
    CACC does issue an Autoslalom License. Here is an example of one. Ignore the goofy photo on the front :

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Quote Originally Posted by JValgardson View Post
    CACC does issue an Autoslalom License. Here is an example of one. Ignore the goofy photo on the front :
    Sorry - I wasn't clear. What I meant was CACC doesn't issue licences to everyone who races. I mentioned earlier that I do have a licence, so I know they exist....although I have yet to find a use for one

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    I just read the supplementary regulations for the upcoming nationals and see that only "Appendix A" listed cars are included. Well in fact, if you read Section 7 of the ASN regulations you will see that the regulation combines the SCCA Appendix A & B as one. So there is no "Appendix A" under the ASN rules.

    The 2017 ASN Autoslalom Regulations states the following:

    Section 7. VEHICLE CLASSIFICATION LIST ASN Canada FIA has adopted the following Appendix of the SCCA Solo II Rules as part of the National Autoslalom Regulations.
    Appendix A Car Classes
    Appendix B Classic American Muscle

    Can you clarify that you will be including all ASN Canada car classes in the upcoming Nationals?

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-Z51 View Post

    The 2017 ASN Autoslalom Regulations states the following:

    Section 7. VEHICLE CLASSIFICATION LIST ASN Canada FIA has adopted the following Appendix of the SCCA Solo II Rules as part of the National Autoslalom Regulations.
    Appendix A Car Classes
    Appendix B Classic American Muscle

    Can you clarify that you will be including all ASN Canada car classes in the upcoming Nationals?
    Yes, all car classes including CAM classes are eligible to compete in the 2017 Canadian Autoslalom championship.

    I will edit the reference in the supplementary regulation to reflect a reference to section 7 of the ASN Regulations.

    Dave

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    If we already have a solosprint or road race license, do we still need an autoslalom license?

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    CACC Competition licenses are only required for people within clubs affiliated with the CACC. In fact, you will not be approved for a CACC license if you are from another ASN territory listed in the first post. People from those regions planning to participate in the event will have to get memberships from their ASN territory if they don't already have one.

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Quote Originally Posted by mavm86 View Post
    If we already have a solosprint or road race license, do we still need an autoslalom license?
    Your license is sufficient. A CACC "competition" license is all that is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 510 View Post
    From the sup regs:

    4.1. Eligibility to Participate
    1. To be eligible to compete as a driver, a driver must:
    a. Hold a current provincial or state Driver’s License (Graduated licenses, where the
    driver is authorized to drive without another licensed driver being present, are
    permitted.);
    b. To enter a National Autoslalom Championship event, a competitor must hold a
    competition license
    (or membership card) issued by ASN Canada FIA or an ASN
    Territory
    that grants eligibility for AutoSlalom events, or a Day License issued by
    the organizing club;

    c. Have signed the ASN Canada FIA General Waiver.
    I don't mean to belabour the point, but I believe from the way 4.1.1.b is written, to compete you either need 1) a competition license (CACC/ASN issued) or 2) a day license from the organizing club.

    To me, it appears that VCMC could issue day licenses on the spot at sign-in. Perhaps I am missing something?

    Thank you,
    Mark

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Quote Originally Posted by blackice View Post
    Yes, all car classes including CAM classes are eligible to compete in the 2017 Canadian Autoslalom championship.

    I will edit the reference in the supplementary regulation to reflect a reference to section 7 of the ASN Regulations.

    Dave
    Thanks for clarifying, I will be registering and look forward to the event.

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Quote Originally Posted by lowside67 View Post
    I don't mean to belabour the point, but I believe from the way 4.1.1.b is written, to compete you either need 1) a competition license (CACC/ASN issued) or 2) a day license from the organizing club.

    To me, it appears that VCMC could issue day licenses on the spot at sign-in. Perhaps I am missing something?

    Thank you,
    Mark
    It would be nice if we could issue a day license as you have quoted but we don't have this option unfortunately. CACC does not allow this and as VCMC is governed by CACC regulations, so we can't provide this. The day license would have had a similar cost so it wouldn't have saved anyone any money. I spoke to Mike Kaerne (President of CACC) about this issue and asked why the rule exists in the ASN regulations if we can't apply them? He says the rule has been around for a long time but nobody has used it in 20 years. We are going to have the 2017 Regulations amended to no longer include the line referring to the day (event) licenses.

    Additionally, CACC members (which includes VCMC and many other local clubs) voted to regulate that any member participating in a National event must have a Competition license. If everybody doesn't like it then please show up for the next AGM and vote to have it removed. That would be our only way around it.

    *Participants with memberships from other ASN regions don't have to get a CACC license. From what I have been told most (if not all) of those regions don't require a competition license for their members to participate in a national event.

    Regardless of all the logistics, the CACC competition license is not very hard to get. The online application should only take you a couple minutes. You have to submit a picture (They say "passport style" which I think is basically referring to the size and frame of the picture) which you can take with your phone and upload easily. VCMC membership cards are easy, just email membership@vcmc.ca and I'll get one to you within 24hrs usually.

    Don't let the idea of getting a measly $15 license deter you from coming. I challenge all of you who want some good competition and an epic weekend to make the extra effort with the registration process. Its going to be worth it! Looking forward to seeing all of you there!

    If you need any help with the license application or event registration please don't hesitate to email me with questions or requests: membership@vcmc.ca

    -Jordan
    Last edited by blackice; May 10, 2017 at 11:06.

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    Re: 2017 ASN/FIA Canadian Autoslalom Championship

    Will we be allowed to leave cars, tires, tools, etc in pit or at least on site overnight?
    Nick T. STX, 14 BRZ.

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