Need to go from London to Paris next month. Wondering if I should fly or drive. Has anyone here done that route? Lawrence?
Joe
Need to go from London to Paris next month. Wondering if I should fly or drive. Has anyone here done that route? Lawrence?
Joe
"...I recommend books. People who don't know what they're talking about are less likely to write a book about the subject...."
I hear the train is a good deal.
Neil
Last I remember, a train trip through the Chunnel from Paris to London or vice versa was about $100-140 Cdn. A flight would probably run you a bit more and not be much faster (when you take all the baggage pickup and security stuff into consideration).
The Ferry ride over the English Channel takes a couple hours and the train would still beat you there. Not to mention that you have to change the side of the road you drive on.
If you had to fly out of Heathrow the trip out from London plus time in the terminal would really cancel out any time advantage in flying. Even if you flew out of City, I remember Charles DeGaulle airport is still a ways out of Paris. The EuRail stations are right in the middle of town at each end.
If you don't have to drive in Paris, my vote is take the train. Upgrade to business class or equiv. IIRC you actually get a good meal, with wine of course. Public transportation in England and France is a no brainer if you aren't travelling outside of the city limits. Even then it's easy to rent a car.
[ June 18, 2003, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: Jeff Loh ]
When life throws you curves, aim for the apex.
little yellow miata
well i havent gone that far out...but when i'm in germany i normally take the train to get around to visit friends.
its alot more interesting then with the areoplane and you meet some interesting people too :P
Joe,
DON'T FLY! You don't know when the France air traffic control will strike again + u lose a lot of time going to/from airports and security. Not Fun!
I've done train and car, and I prefer train. Your car actually goes on a train through the channel, "to avoid fatal accidents inside the tunnel." Also, parking and security is a big concern driving a GB vehicle in France. Some bastard broke the side mirror off Sammi's A3
Hire a vehicle if you are going to outskirt Paris or need to get really really cheap grocery for your London's friends near Brussels.
Check out EuroStar prices here: http://www.eurostar.com/ Select London Waterloo to Paris Grand du Nord.
I might be able to get you TCC pricing, Sammi works at travel agency. no hotel package though.
You can also get late deals from UK's travel shops. Prices are actually cheap comparing to normal bookings for hotel and train packages, make sure you find a hotel LISTED with Air Conditioning.
http://www.thomascook.co.uk/
http://www.lunn-poly.co.uk/
http://www.travelbag.co.uk
http://www.airnet.co.uk <- cheap car-hire
Lawrence
Haha.. that is SO true.Originally posted by Law C:
Joe,
...make sure you find a hotel LISTED with Air Conditioning.and you have to ask for ice in your water.
When life throws you curves, aim for the apex.
Don't worry, Canadians are allowed to choose the side of the road they drive on....they're going to phase in driving on the right (correct) side of the road.......................they're going to start with trucks first! :P
If it is to be, 'twil be done by me.
"If nothing else works,...a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through", Blackadder.
'A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside'
The real reason Joe's going to London??
http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/Auct...AuctionID=2077
When life throws you curves, aim for the apex.
Three seat F1 car?!...what's next...WAGONS?!
If it is to be, 'twil be done by me.
"If nothing else works,...a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through", Blackadder.
'A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside'
Actually, Pat and I are going to Goodwood's Festival of Speed ( http://www.goodwood.co.uk/ ). This is probably the only event in the world where you will see more interesting cars and drivers all at one place. This year's drivers (actually competing) include Montoya, Jenson Button, Coulthard, Rod Millen (FTD last year in the Celica but will be driving his Pikes Peak winning, 900 hp, Tacoma "truck" this year), Cristiano da Matta, Unser Jr.. Then there are the old guys like Jim Hall, Dan Guyney, Jackie Stewart, Jackie Ickx, Phil Hill, Alan Jones, Derek Bell, Stering Moss, Nelson Piquet, Danny Sullivan, Unser Sr.,
The following list is released by Goodwood.
Who’s Driving What at the Festival of Speed (updated 20.6.03)
All the confirmed star drivers listed in alphabetical order with a summary of the cars they will compete in at the Festival.
Giacomo Agostini, the most successful rider in the history of motorcycle racing, will take to the hill on MV Agusta.
Ove Andersson will be at the Festival in his role as Toyota’s Director of Motor Sport, and will drive a Celica rally car.
Rene Arnoux will drive Renault’s ground-breaking RS01 Grand Prix car, which was the first to use a turbocharger in Formula One.
Richard Attwood will drive a Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport from the USA.
Derek Bell will once more be at the Festival driving the Porsche 917/30 CanAm car and his newly-restored championship-winning Alfa Romeo 33 TT 12 sports prototype. He will also drive the Bentley Continental GT in the Supercar Run.
Sir Jack Brabham, a long-standing Festival favourite, will drive an AC Cobra Le Mans Coupe. He has also been invited to drive an MG ZR in the Supercar Run.
Ralph Bryans will ride some of the classic racing bikes brought to the Festival by Honda Collection Gallery.
Jenson Button will drive the BAR-Honda on Sunday.
David Coulthard will be at the Festival on Sunday, hopefully driving both historic and contemporary Mercedes-Benz cars.
Helmut Daehne will ride the 1976 BMW R90S TT.
Cristiano da Matta, reigning CART champion and current Toyota F1 star, will drive the 1970 Toyota Seven Turbo Group 7 sports car.
Anthony Davidson will drive the BAR-Honda on Friday.
Mick Doohan, five times World Champion, will make his Goodwood debut riding a current Honda GP bike.
Gwyndaf Evans will drive the latest MG ZR rally car from the British Championship.
Juan Manuel Fangio II will drive a 1992 Eagle-Toyota Mk3 GTP provided from the USA by Dan Gurney’s All American Racers Inc.
Ralph Firman will drive the latest Jordan-Ford Formula One car.
David Franklin, multiple British hillclimb champion, will once more attempt the overall hill record in the unique Ferrari 712 CanAm car.
Frank Gardner, former British Touring Car Champion, will celebrate 100 Years of Ford when he is re-united with his Escort Mk1 touring car.
David Good will be back in an ERA (R14B) to remember his many British hillclimbing successes with the famous marque.
Stuart Graham will ride some of the classic racing bikes brought to the Festival by Honda Collection Gallery.
Mick Grant will ride the ex-Barry Sheene Yamaha OW 48R in tribute to his great friend and rival.
Dan Gurney, a Le Mans winner in the Ford MkIV, will be on hand to celebrate 100 years of the famous marque and will ride All American Racers’ new Alligator motorcycle.
David Hailwood, son of the legendary Mike Hailwood, is expected to ride his father’s TT-winning 1978 Ducati 900SS.
Jim Hall, creator of the legendary Chaparral sports-racing cars, will return to the Festival for the first time since 1997, with both the 2E and 2F ‘high-wing’ cars.
Peter Hardman will be as spectacular as ever driving the Nurburgring 1000km-winning Aston Martin DBR1 and a newly-restored Ferrari 330 P3.
Phil Hill will drive the Chaparral sports cars brought to Goodwood by their creator, Jim Hall.
Jacky Ickx will be re-united with his Le Mans-winning Porsche 936/77 Spyder and a Ferrari 312 PB.
Jean-Pierre Jassaud will once again drive his 1978 Le Mans-winning Alpine-Renault A442B.
Alan Jones will drive a Williams-Cosworth FW07 similar to that in which he won the World Championship in 1980.
Willi Kauhsen, former works Porsche sports car driver, will again campaign his 917/10 CanAm car.
Jay Kay, lead singer with the band Jamiroquai, will drive his newly-acquired Ferrari Enzo in the Supercar Run.
Jodie Kidd, supermodel, will drive her newly-acquired Maserati Spyder in the Supercar Run.
Roy Lane will be back in his McRae-Chevrolet GM1 to remember the British hillclimbing successes he achieved with his famous car.
David Leigh will be back in his famous GN Spider to remember that car’s many victories in British hillclimbing.
Alan Mann will drive a Ford Falcon touring car identical to that in which his team dominated the British championship in the late 1960s.
Jem Marsh, founder of Marcos Engineering Limited, will drive the latest Marcos TS500 V8 in the Supercar Run.
Tony Marsh will be back in his Marsh-Rover Special to remember the British hillclimbing successes he achieved with his famous car.
Gerry Marshall, more than 600 times a race winner, will once again drive the magnificent Vauxhall Firenza ‘Baby Bertha’ with which he is synonymous.
Nick Mason, the Pink Floyd drummer, will drive a magnificent Ferrari 512S from his personal collection.
Jochen Mass will demonstrate the legendary Mercedes-Benz W196 Streamliner as it makes its first public appearance in more than 25 years. He’ll also demonstrate the ultra-successful 1990 Sauber-Mercedes C11 GTP car, and will be back behind the wheel of his European Touring Car Championship-winning Ford Capri RS ‘Cologne’.
Felipe Massa will drive the 2002 Championship-winning Ferrari Formula One car.
Arturo Merzario will drive an Alfa Romeo 33 TT 12 from the Alfa Romeo Museum.
Allan McNish will drive the latest Renault Formula One car throughout the weekend, as well as his 1998 Le Mans-winning Porsche 911 GT1.
Hannu Mikkola will drive the latest Ford Focus WRC. He will also be re-united with the Ford Escort MkI in which he won the gruelling 16,000-mile World Cup Rally from London to Mexico in 1970, a victory which established both Mikkola and the Escort as world-class stars of international rallying.
Rod Millen, the Kiwi hillclimbing legend, will return to Goodwood to defend his ‘Fastest Time of the Day’ title set on his debut last year, this time driving a 900bhp Toyota Tacoma pick-up truck that he promises will be ‘even faster’ than his Toyota Celica Turbo.
Sammy Miller, still recovering from injuries sustained in an accident in Italy in May, will ride the fabulous Moto Guzzi V8.
Juan Pablo Montoya will return to Goodwood on the Saturday to drive a Williams-BMW F1 car.
Sir Stirling Moss will drive the Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR in which he and motoring journalist Denis ‘Jenks’ Jenkinson won the 1955 Mille Miglia in record time.
Jörg Müller will drive the 1999 Le Mans-winning BMW V12.
Sandro Munari will drive the legendary Lancia Stratos in which he dominated world rallying in the 1970s, winning a hat-trick of Monte Carlo rallies.
Trevor Nation will be re-united with his 1991 TT-winning Norton NRS588.
Jackie Oliver, the former works Lotus Formula One driver, will demonstrate the beautiful high-winged Lotus 49B of Classic Team Lotus, which features on the official Festival programme this year. He will also the Gulf-livered Ford GT40.
Olivier Panis will drive the latest Toyota TF103 Formula One car on Saturday and Sunday.
David Pearson, one of the most successful champions ever in NASCAR history, will drive a Ford NASCAR at the Festival.
David Piper, the well-respected privateer sports car star, will drive his Ford F3L in celebration of 100 Years of Ford.
Nelson Piquet, three-time Formula One World Champion, will be reunited with his 1983 title-winning Brabham-BMW BT52, recently restored by the factory museum, on Friday and Saturday.
Andy Priaulx, the BMW European Touring Car driver, is expected to demonstrate Keke Rosberg’s Championship-winning Williams-Cosworth FW08 at the Festival.
Jean Ragnotti will again drive a selection of competition cars brought to Goodwood from Renault’s factory Museum in France.
Manuel Reuter will drive his ITC championship-winning 1996 Opel Calibra V6.
Bob Riggle, the all-American drag racing hero, will be performing the mind-blowing 100-metre wheelies in front of Goodwood House in his 1100bhp Plymouth Barracuda ‘Hurst Hemi Under Glass’ drag racing car.
Tommy Robb will ride some of the classic racing bikes brought to the Festival by Honda Collection Gallery.
Walter Rõhrl will return to the Festival to drive cars from the Porsche Museum and hopefully an Audi Quattro.
Andy Rouse – four-time British Touring Car champion – will charge the hill in his lightening fast Ford Sierra RS500 touring car, which proved virtually unbeatable in the BTCC and redefined the genre.
Takuma Sato will drive the BAR-Honda on Saturday.
Jack Sears will again drive his leviathan British Saloon Car Championship-winning Ford Galaxie 500, which he still owns and drives.
Colin Seeley will ride the home-designed Seeley G50 sidecar combination with which he proved devastatingly effective in the World Championship in the late 1960s.
Masanori Sekiya, the 1995 Le Mans-winner, will drive Toyota’s super-fast 1999 GT-One Le Mans challenger.
Paul Smart will ride the legendary 1970 Triumph T150 ‘Slippery Sam’.
Petter Solberg is expected to drive his winning Subaru Impreza WRC from the 2002 Network Q Rally of Great Britain.
Herbert Stenger, a legend of European hillclimbing, will be re-united with his mind-boggling Ford Capri MkIII Zakspeed Turbo.
Sir Jackie Stewart will make a demonstration run in the Tyrrell family’s newly-restored Tyrrell-Cosworth 001 on Sunday.
Danny Sullivan will be in action on the hillclimb course throughout the weekend in Lola and March CanAm cars.
Marc Surer will drive a BMW M1 Procar all weekend, and will deputise for Nelson Piquet in the Brabham-BMW BT52 on Sunday.
John Surtees, the only to be World Champion on two wheels and four, will ride bikes and drive both the magnificent Honda RA300 Formula One car and a Mercedes-Benz W154 ‘Silver Arrow’.
Russ Swift, the ultimate automotive gymnast, will demonstrate his spectacular two-wheel driving antics and tyre-squealing spin-parking techniques throughout the weekend.
Al Unser Snr will drive historic Indy cars throughout the weekend.
Al Unser Jnr will drive a Penske-Mercedes PC23 similar to that in which he won the Indy 500 in 1994.
Mark Ticehurst, the Vauxhall BTCC driver, will take to the hill in James Thompson’s 2002 BTCC-winning Astra.
Nino Vaccarella will drive a newly-restored Ferrari 312 PB like that in which he competed for the works team in the 1970s, along with a fabulous mid-engined Maserati Tipo 63 ‘Birdcage’.
Bjorn Waldegaard will drive the 1985 Safari Rally-winning Group B Toyota Celica Twin Cam Turbo.
Andy Wallace will drive both his 1988 Le Mans-winning Jaguar XJR9 and Pagani Zonda in the Supercar Run.
Ruby Wax, comedienne and TV presenter, will drive the new Nissan 350Z in the Supercar Run.
Peter Westbury will be back in the Felday-Daimler in which he scored innumerable successes in British hillclimbing.
Sir John Whitmore will drive an ex-works Ford Lotus Cortina MkI like that in which he took saloon car racing by storm in the 1960s, as well as the AC Cobra in which he won the 1963 South African Sports Car Grand Prix.
Graeme Wight Jnr, current British hillcliming champion, will challenge for the fastest overall time in his indecently quick Gould-Cosworth GR51.
Malcolm Wilson will drive the ex-Hannu Mikkola World Cup Rally-winning Ford Escort, and hopefully a spectacular Pike’s Peak Ford RS200 Group B rally car.
Steve Wynne will ride one of the works Ducati 750s that dominated the Imola 200 in 1972.
The Festival of Speed is far more than just a hillclimb - it can justifiably claim to be the world’s biggest and most diverse classic motorsports event. It’s the only occasion where you’ll see in action the greatest competition cars and star drivers from the entire history of motorsport - everything from 19th Century steam carriages to current Formula One, fabulous racing motorcycles; 2500bhp Land Speed Record cars alongside engineless soapbox racers; plus motorsport legends like Moss, Surtees, Brabham and Andretti rubbing shoulders with today's hottest properties such as Jenson Button and Richard Burns.
Motor racing first came to Goodwood in 1936 when the Earl of March held a private hillclimb through the park. Five years earlier he had won the Brooklands Double 12 and in 1948, as the Duke of Richmond, he opened the Goodwood Motor Circuit. These early events inspired his grandson Charles March to bring motor sport back to Goodwood, and this resulted in the first Festival of Speed, held in 1993 in the picturesque parkland surrounding Goodwood House.
Since the inaugural meeting, the Festival has become established as the key event in historic motorsport's social calendar. But it's not all about action on the hill. Unrestricted access to the paddocks means that spectators and autograph hunters can get closer to the cars and drivers than at almost any other meeting. Away from the bustle of competition, you can relax with a picnic on the lawns of the House among some of the most beautiful and innovative automotive creations, which are judged in the Cartier ‘Style et Luxe’ design competition. You can explore the exciting displays of our many exhibitors, or seek an adrenaline rush from the Festival's interactive entertainment, including driving simulators and tank rides. Children will delight in the special amusements to be found at the Junior Festival of Speed
The Festival is motor racing's equivalent of Ascot or Wimbledon, an extravaganza of sound and colour that has been described as 'the garden party of the Gods'. In combination with the rich period theatre of our Motor Circuit Revival Meeting, the Festival of Speed ensures that Goodwood is unrivalled throughout the world.
[ June 20, 2003, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: Phantom ]
"...I recommend books. People who don't know what they're talking about are less likely to write a book about the subject...."
Paint me green ... with envie, Joe.
After visiting the Monterey Classics and Pebble Beach Concourse in 1997 experiencing Goodwood has been near to top of my to do list.
Take some photos ... please!
Interesting that JV is the only BAR driver to manage to skip the personal appearence thing....
Hey Joe, any notes you can take on the Millen "car" would be much appreciated. And photos of the suspension and engine compartment would be a big bonus.
DG
Ooohh, I so want to go one of these days. I saw last year's coverage on Speed Those guys really *race* their priceless race cars, much more so than they do at Monterey. Coincidentally I will be catching Rhys Millen and the SCCA PRORally cars at the Pikes Peak Int'l Hillclimb next week. If winning at Knox ever gets boring ..http://www.ppihc.com
Now back to your regular thread.
[ June 20, 2003, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: Jeff Loh ]
When life throws you curves, aim for the apex.
This one of the things I have been dreaming about doing for years but have never been able to makeActually, Pat and I are going to Goodwood's Festival of Speed
You are going to have such a great time.
e31
"Oh drat these computers, they're so naughty and so complex. I could pinch them" Marvin the Martian
JEALOUS!!!!!!!!! We need,need,NEED pictures!!!!!!!,limit the drool, but we NEED pictures!!!!Have fun you lucky so and so's, Cheers,Phil.
If it is to be, 'twil be done by me.
"If nothing else works,...a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through", Blackadder.
'A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside'
OK, here's mine from '01. I'll have new stuff after the July 4th long weekend.
http://2kcrew.lunarpages.com/webdeva...01/ppihc01.htm
Nothin' compared to what Goodwood will be; the world's fastest driveway.
When life throws you curves, aim for the apex.
What we need is a Goodwood photo & video tech session when you guys get back. I've penciled you in for the August club meeting.Originally posted by Bengt Sumpgaard:
JEALOUS!!!!!!!!! We need,need,NEED pictures!!!!!!!,
-c.
Peter: Oh my god, Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits. It says, 'Oooooo.'
Brian: Peter, those are Cheerios.
Waaaaa Waaaaaa Waaaaa I want to go tooo!!!!
Please please get some photo's of the Chapparel 2E's and 2F's. My favorite race cars of all time.
Have a great trip..you lucky dogs!!
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