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Thread: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

  1. 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Please discuss the 2008 Motul VCMC Track day in this thread.

    Questions, answers, general, non-official discussion... right here please.

    Many answer can be found here:
    http://www.asncanada.com/2008_SoloSp...egulations.pdf
    Last edited by Carson; May 28, 2008 at 22:58.
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  2. Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    just to post in reply to sead's post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sead View Post
    I agree, there were a few people at the last event that were not even borderline advanced, and it disrupted the flow of the group significantly.
    But in the end, I suppose the organizers have to look and make sure the numbers in each run group are fairly even.
    It would be wise to think about how we line up in grid. I'd suggest we start off by placing cars with higher potential at the front of the line, and then adjusting from there based on driver's skill on the track.
    just so i can single myself out... must be talking about my white miata

    after the first session i started gridding last in the pregrid cause i realized my miata.. isnt what my old 310rwhp rx7 was ya i did hold ppl inadvertently up in the first session i admit.. but i felt after the subsequent sessions by gridding near last and just pointing everyone by it was okay. and i'm pretty sure i did not endanger anyone with my slower car...

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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    You handled things pretty well, immediately pointing people to pass on the straights.
    With a risk of not remebering the correct info, I believe there was a Datsun that went relatively slow in corners and fast on straights with no point bys.

    Anyways, not a huge deal!

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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Just a friendly reminder, point-by's are useles when you stay on the gas. A 240 hp car is not going to be able to over take a 190 hp car when the slower car is on the gas. No names mentioned here.

    Usually when I let someone by, I either let off the gas, or even give a little brake. Makes passing on the back straight betweens turn 6 and 7 a lot safer and easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumAznGuy View Post
    Just a friendly reminder, point-by's are useles when you stay on the gas. A 240 hp car is not going to be able to over take a 190 hp car when the slower car is on the gas. No names mentioned here.

    Usually when I let someone by, I either let off the gas, or even give a little brake. Makes passing on the back straight betweens turn 6 and 7 a lot safer and easier.

    Thats exactly what happened to me, cary, and alvin In Seattle. Alvin point us to pass but full throttle pulling away with his S2000. None of us able to catch up.
    V67-GSR
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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    we will bring this up at the drivers meeting, perhaps after each group run the drivers should get together to decide if any cars are too fast or too slow for the group and report to the organizers, the organizers can then decide if they can move those cars to a slower or faster group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    we will bring this up at the drivers meeting, perhaps after each group run the drivers should get together to decide if any cars are too fast or too slow for the group and report to the organizers, the organizers can then decide if they can move those cars to a slower or faster group.
    Also, be sure to talk about driving too close to each other. Keep your distance as you approach the corners. I know about the rush of trying to catch up to and pass a person, but you folks really need to watch that.

    This is not a race, this is a club lapping day.

    Cheers,
    Allan
    2004 Porsche 911 GT3

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    yes we should talk about it, but that's easier to control as the corner workers will be instructed to throw black flags for any unsafe behaviors.
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    Last year most of the cars in advanced weren't overly fast with the exception of bob in his gt3 and maybe hedwig in his rx7 a little(he was taking it easy). Those guys weren't doing that much passing because they always went out first. The issue was more driver skill and brake fade. The guy in the cayman would push it a little too much when he had someone tailing him and would get a little out of shape. I understand the z4 coupe was having brake problems thus holding a lot of people up.

    The rest of the cars were similar speeds, myself, the s2000s and sead in his sirocco.

    If we see a ton more high powered cars showing up this time around I'll gladly drop down a group. Its not fun waving people by, and its no fun waiting to get waved by.

    Allan: its too bad you weren't at last years trackday. It was very well executed and there were no incidents. I believe the sccbc group praised us saying we were one of the best groups to come through in a long time.
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    I think a lot of it comes down to ego. I know that if I see a GT3 in my rearview mirror, I have no problem putting my hand out the window and giving a point-by - there's no shame in letting somebody with a faster car by. Having driven with some of you in Portland and Seattle, I'm looking forward to another track day with everybody. The advanced group is shaping up to be an awesome bunch with not too many cars that are at either extreme end of the spectrum.
    Mark Uhlmann, UBCSCC Ex-Pres
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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dutch View Post
    Allan: its too bad you weren't at last years trackday. It was very well executed and there were no incidents. I believe the sccbc group praised us saying we were one of the best groups to come through in a long time.
    I think I was driving the Cabot Trail in Cape Breton when you guys were at the track last year. Sorry I missed it. It's good to hear about the success of your day though. Very good.

    For the first timers, here's a thread Joe started last year about Mission. Somewhere in these posts there is a description or two about the track, but now it has changed. The main straight doesn't have a kink in it anymore, T1 is wider and faster and the new T7 (higher speed) has replaced T7/8/9.

    http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=7485

    Cheers,
    Allan
    2004 Porsche 911 GT3

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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Passenger allowed?
    V67-GSR
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    Speaking of passengers....if I'm in the area may I drop by for a visit and go for a ride? Or are ride-alongs (if allowed) limited to paying participants? I'm fine either way....I'm just asking.

    Cheers,
    Allan
    2004 Porsche 911 GT3

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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Worth repeating from Henry's post in a different thread. All you folks going to the VCMC track day might want to make sure your brakes are in excellent shape....and I'm not just talking about bringing them up to factory specs.

    Henry wrote:
    Went to Mission on Saturday as part of the Inside Line Program. Thank God it was a sunny day but very cold (3 Celsius) in the morning when we walk the track. As Allan has mentioned, the new T1 is much better but you are also carrying more speed, which also means you need better brakes. I started the day with a 07 GTI, after few laps in heavy traffic in the 1st session there was noticeable brake fade as the pedal was getting soft and the rotors started to shake. Even thought the organizer suggested min. 50% brake, I do believe better pads & high temp brake fluid is a must.
    Cheers,
    Allan
    2004 Porsche 911 GT3

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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Motul RBF 600 or go home. Don't ask what happened to my 240 brakes last yr.
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    No, Carson, do tell. And who fixed them???
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    Mike 'Chan' Marich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Motul RBF 600 or go home. Don't ask what happened to my 240 brakes last yr.

    And/Or better brake cooling. Glad I will have both.
    V67-GSR
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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Hey Vasco, since you have done more track days than most of us here, what about post a little info on how to easily improve brake cooling?
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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Hey Vasco, since you have done more track days than most of us here, what about post a little info on how to easily improve brake cooling?

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Not sure if I am the right person to talk about this topic because those who know me long enough know that I am one of those "cut/remove anything to make way" type of person. Anyway, simple homedepot/rona/cantire aluminum venting hose will do the trick. Play around with all available space. Squeeze/sneak through any opening area. Minimize number of sharp turns. Maximize the hose size. Most important, forget about how bad it looks (no matter how stupid it looks like). It is temporary solution and safety come before looks.

    Just in mind that braking is all about capacity and efficiency. RBF600 (or any other race grade brake fluid) has the Capacity to take lots of torture before it “boil” up. However, you also need Efficiency to cool the system. Otherwise the accumulated heat will boil just about anything given enough time.

    IMO (don’t bash me)
    Better Capacity will buy you couple more laps before accumulated heat boil the system.
    Better Efficiency will extend the time. If efficient enough you may never experience any brake fade at all (unless you do it on purpose).
    V67-GSR
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    Re: 2008 Motul VCMC Track Day Question and discussion thread

    Besides good brake fluid (I use Motul RBF600) and track duty pads, one of the first things I'd do is look at aftermarket cooling solutions that are already available for your car. These have been tested for interference issues with suspension, steering bits etc. The last thing you want to have happen with a home brew solution is to have part of it come loose and jam up your steering as you are entering a turn.

    Here is one example of some options for Porsches. I'm sure similar options for other makes will be a fraction of the cost of these.
    http://www.smartracingproducts.com/p...eelsbrakes.pdf

    My car comes from the factory with air deflectors that hang below the car and direct air to the rotors. I upgraded mine to the very large deflectors from the GT3 Cup race cars for added protection. Last summer I drove hard at Mission for 45 min sessions without any hint of brake fade.

    If you opt for the home brew solution like Vasco suggested, do like he says about keeping the ducting as smooth/straight as possible and as large diameter as possible. That will reduce resistance and flow more air. I design dust collection ducting solutions for woodworkers so I can bore you to death with data to support that claim. I even have my own airflow testing gear.

    Anyhow, just make sure whatever you do won't interfere with the suspension and steering bits of your car.

    Cheers,
    Allan
    2004 Porsche 911 GT3

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